Most of you know from my book The Last Chronicles of planet Earth that I do believe in the pre-trib rapture. I cite dozens of places in the Bible where we see the rapture verses. A few days ago I posted a radio show where the Watchman’scry.com had an interview with Benjamin Baruch who not only talked about what is going to happen with the sun, but he went on to say there is no rapture. I know based on the Word of God Mr. Baruch is dead wrong on this issue. In any case today I received a email from Alan Mason in which Alan points to many of the mistakes and important facts Baruch left out. I wanted you to see what Alan stated, because he is right on the mark! A few days ago I told you I would write the watchman’scry.com people and ask them to provide the names of the PHD’s that Benjamin said he spoke with. I have not received a answer from them yet.
Alan Manson manalan77@gmail.com
Hi Frank,
I listened to this message from your latest email because I am researching what is happening to the sun and the planets.
I was really interested to hear what Benjamin Baruch had to say about these things, but I was quite concerned that his and Nathan Leal’s beliefs are that the Rapture is a fallacy and that all Christians will have to endure the 7 years of Daniel’s70th Week until the words of Revelation 19 are fulfilled:
(Rev19:7-8) "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. {8} And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints."
Throughout the message,Baruch was condescending towards anyone who believed in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, and he emphasized the need for Christians to endure the disasters that would be coming upon the Earth in the near future. The basis for his claim was that God would protect them from harm. He used instances where God protected Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in Babylon and also the Israelites during God’s judgments upon Egypt to justify his claims, but it is a distortion to what scripture illustrates is the way God deals with His people.
From my understanding of the Bible, God does not judge the righteous with the wicked, and for this reason the true children of God will be removed from the Earth shortly after the Tribulation begins, based on the scripture verses below:
(Gen18:24-26) [Abraham, the Friend of God speaking to the Lord]
"Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? {25} That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee:Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? {26} And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes."
The lesson to be learned from both the days of Noah and the days of Lot(Luke 17:26-30) is that God does NOT force those who are His to endure the punishments He is inflicting upon those who hate Him. As Abraham said, “….that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right”– or do the righteous thing with His people here?
Scripture seems to indicate that all “Wise Virgins” will have to remain on the Earth AFTER The Antichrist has signed the peace covenant with Israel. It is this act that commences the 70th Week of Daniel’s prophecy to countdown. It is only this act that will enable his name and the number of his name to identify him as ‘666’ and the Midnight Cry to follow this (Matt25:6). Only God the Father will determine the period after this event, where He will send Jesus back to the Earth (in the Rapture) to take His saints back to heaven with Him before bringing hem back at the Second Coming:
(Rev19:11-14) "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. {12} His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. {13} And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. {14} And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean."
We know from scripture that people who are “clothed in fine linen, white and clean”are the saints, as described in Rev 19:8. This passage of scripture alone indicates that the saints have to be in heaven before they can depart it with Christ to return to the Earth. Benjamin and Nathan carefully avoid references to these Bible facts.
I noticed that both Benjamin and Nathan were also careful not to mention anything about the parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins where it says:
(Matt25:10-12) "And while they [the Foolish Virgins] went to buy, the bridegroom[Jesus] came; and they [the Wise Virgins] that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. {11} Afterward [or after Jesus is back in Heaven with His ‘body’ of faithful servants –Matt 25:21] came also the other [Foolish]virgins [in prayer], saying, Lord, Lord, open [the door to Heaven] to us [also]. {12} But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not."
Benjamin’s beliefs reflect the modern church’s false doctrine of Once Saved, Always Saved and the misguided belief that it is God’s responsibility to save them,otherwise He will be found to be an unfaithful liar (see Heb 13:5; John 10:29,etc.). Sadly, I see people like them as members of the group of Foolish Virgins who have believed Satan’s lies and realize too late that they are “foolish.” The only way for such people to get to heaven will be when they are beheaded for their faith in Jesus Christ:
(Rev20:4) "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them[the Foolish Virgins and other Tribulation converts] that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast,neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
I also noticed in his message certain claims to scripture that he distorted to justify his position here,such as:
“a small remnant will make it through [The Tribulation]…”
Scripture indicates that NO Christian makes it through the Tribulation. There will be sheep and goat nations, but Christians are not mentioned in this group at all, as stated below.
(Rev 6:15-17) "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; {16} And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne,and from the wrath of the Lamb: {17} For the great day of his wrath is come;and who shall be able to stand?" There are no Jews or Christians mentioned here Frank.
· “Blessed are those who rest in the Lord through in the Great Tribulation…”
This statement refers from the time people (probably the Foolish Virgins) begin to die, because they will not take the mark of the beast. It refers to a special blessing to the martyrs of the tribulation (Rev. 6:9-11; Rev. 7:9-17;Rev. 14:13; Rev. 15:2-4; Rev. 20:4-6)
· “…we have overrated this issue of dying in the flesh. it’s not the big problem people make it out to be. Jesus said, Do not seek to save your life in this hour. If you are going to be worried about saving your life, then you are guaranteed to lose it…If you have given your life to Jesus, He will protect it. If you want to hang on to your little life and all that it entails, then you are trying to save it, and guess what, your gonna lose your life in the process but gain your salvation.”
Here Benjamin is mocking the truth of scripture with his statement “…we have overrated this issue of dying in the flesh.” In this, Paul says
(Gal 5:24-25) "And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. {25} If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit."
All of this is bunkum, Frank. If Christians have not crucified their flesh nature, then they are walking in the flesh and not in the Spirit. If they do that, then condemnation from Christ awaits them at the Judgment:
(Rom8:1) "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk NOT AFTER THE FLESH, but after the Spirit."
For the record –briefly:
1. God is bringing the Tribulation about for the restoration and Salvation of Israel. Neither of these two men addressed this issue.
2. The role of the church over the past 2011 years has been to proclaim the Gospel to “every creature.” The modern church has failed to do this preferring to believe the doctrines of man rather than God and His word.
3. The church has corrupted itself in the same way as the world systems of government have corrupted themselves.
4. For the faithful believers who are saved (Rom 10:9-10) and truly born again (John 3:1-8) after experiencing the New Birth, these will be they who have endured the spiritual cross that Jesus has for every believer (Matt 16:24) and followed Jesus wherever the Holy Spirit leads them (John 3:8). They have also suffered persecution from family members, work colleagues and friends for quoting the words of Jesus and the Gospel (Matt 10:34-36) and counted all things but “dung” forth excellency of the knowledge they have discovered about Jesus (Phil 3:8).
5. For those in Christ who have “suffered for righteousness sake” in this life (1 Peter 3:14), the COMFORT that we have is that he or she will be removed from this Earth to escape the judgments of God upon an evil and wicked generation of people who hate Jesus and Christians – Jews included (Jer30:7).
(1Thes 4:16-18) "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:{17} Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with theming the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. {18} Wherefore COMFORT one another with these words."
Alan
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Hi Frank,
Someone emailed me an audio of Benjamin Baruch talking about what he thinks is happening now and will happen in “six years.” I listened for a while since, at first, he seemed to be giving information about how the Lord has written His Plan of Salvation in the sky for us – which I began to learn about from Chuck Misler’s teaching on the Mazzaroth a few years ago.
It was very disappointing when Benjamin went from reading Scripture to reading from, what I supposed to be, his own book. His message turned out not to be uplifting in any way.
One thing I’ve learned about the Holy Spirit since 9/1977 and up to this very minute is that He never, ever deviates from, leaves out or goes against any part of His Word (in this case, the pre-trib Rapture); He doesn’t instill fear and anxiety in me (Godly fear does not make me feel anxious); He always gives me a “can do” spirit – not “a spirit of fear, but of power, of love and of a sound mind.”
So, I turned to your site, as I have so often since 2008 when I discovered it, and, low and behold, you had already countered this false and upsetting teaching!
Thank you for setting things straight regarding the Lord’s plans for His Bride, Frank. Times are tough enough without having someone brutalize us.
Also, thank you for putting on the Calvary Chapel video from Hawaii (Pastor J.D.) and the video from a Maranatha men’s meeting of some kind (don’t know the name of that speaker, but I liked him.
I like to listen to Pastor J.D.’s messages from their church’s website. They are wonderful and so full of good information. His being originally from Lebannon gives him a lot of insight into God’s Word from a middle-eastern perspective.
Thank you again for teaching the whole Word of God!
Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Kathleen
As understand it, Nathan Leal does believe in a rapture, just not a pre-trib rapture – but a rapture when the Lord Jesus comes- as per 1 Thess 4:16,17
– 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
So the rapture occurs at the time of the first resurrection – when Jesus returns. Not 7 years before.
Regarding Lot and Noah – they were not removed from the earth, but protected on the earth. The judgment in Noah’s time was global – but yet God was able to preserve the righteous here on earth. The same will be true in the coming tribulation.
Does not Revelation tell us the same – to him who overcomes, to him who perserveres under trial – a crown of life is given.
There will be a rapture and God’s covenant people will go through the tribulation. We are NOT subject to God’s wrath, but we are subject to tribulation. The tribulation is Satan’s wrath, which some of you are confusing with God’s wrath. The judgment of the wicked is God’s wrath. Please read 2 Thess. 2:1-3. It’s the timing of the rapture that some of you are confusing, also. God’s covenant people need tribulation for cleansing! Yes, we are supposed to be cleansed by the Word, but the true Word is not being preached, and hasn’t been for a long, long time. And we don’t need another “reformation”, which is external, but we need to be “transformed by the renewing of our minds”, which is internal. The problem is, modern “churchianity” is not telling the Truth! They have been deceived! Most of the theologians/scholars, etc., have just opened their heads and let others pour information in. We are only deceived if we are open to deception. “Surely our fathers have inherited lies”. God will protect His covenant people, but possibly on the earth…research the 4 end time groups: the Marked, the Martyred, the Woman in the Wilderness, and the 144,000. Which group will you be in? Thanks for sticking with me, if, in fact, you have. Blessing and Peace and Love, jen
Though I will not pin myself down or ever argue about when the rapture will happen, because that is not a matter of Salvation per se, get who the Lord Jesus Is wrong that will interfere with it big time.. The catching away is my Blessed Hope and it will be utterly awesome no matter when. I think of a person that is to get married and try to imagine the soon to be betrothed putting each other to trials of fire before the wedding. I can’t see it, I would have no more done that to my husband then he could have done that to me. That is why I tend to believe more in a pre wrath catching away. Let’s Hope HUH? I prepare with essentials and look at is it as helping others.
I think what is often overlooked or missed or miscommunicated is the reality of the nation’s suffering the effects of calling evil good and good evil.
If we remove the label of “Tribulation” we will see the simple realityt hat God, in His LOVE, Will remove his hand of protection upon a nation that has turned from His precepts. All thorughout the bible we will see His hand inboled in turning His people (both loast and in coveneant to Him) back to holiness.
Jeremiah was a faithful servant… Jeremiah, though protected by Godm was allowed to endure the hardships that befell isreal due to her rebellion.. and so did many others.
We also forget the passages in scripture that talk about the discipline of Born Again believers. Ananias and Sapphira were Christians. (and for those who debate this.. it doesnt matter- it was a judgement during the Church Age) Those addressed in Rev chapter 2 are Christians….
If a nation turns from the laws of God’s nature, that nation, according to scripture will be pruned and disciplined. This is occurring now, and will continue in intensity, unitl the body of Christ repents and then takes up her post to speak the Truth, in LOVE, to the lost.
I can see nowhere in scripture where this concept is in violation. Instead of focusing on rapture and Tribulation times, we have plenty tolook at right now. The nation of America will continue to be brought low and humbled until the church removes the spirit of the world from her midst, and takes up her commission.
To me, it makes little difference if this “season” is called one thing or another.. .it is what it is.
It is time for God’s house to be pruned. The nation will be humbled. Then the lost can be reached.
God bless
David Murry
dwmurry.com
First hand knowledge about watchmans cry. I joined their forum in July 2015 for another way t!o get my opinions on Scripture to more people in the world. I was interested what they were saying about the months of Aug. and Sept. 2015 and they say they are pre-wrath in their beliefs. I read their statement of belief and it was ok, it seemed. All I really wanted was to accomplish was encourage other Christians and pull anyone out of the fire that I can. Well, long story short, I ran into a maelstrom of rancor defending my beliefs(and other peoples, as well). Shake the dust off time for sure. Best I can tell, they are post-trib in their current format and I have been around that block already with some other internet folks. In my opinion, post-trib is the LEAST Biblical of the theories. My 2 cents worth, steer clear of them.
Blessings,
Ken
To etrm,
Who is Alan Manson?
Ken Hall
There is no rapture of the church.There a catching up to the Lord but that’s when Jesus returns so many people have been taught that they won’t believe the truth.I can’t see why faith filled Christian are scared you have power of Satan you are suppose to overcome by the word of God.Why are u so ready to be GONE when u have work to do.I just don’t get this running away stuff this is our hour to do Gods work yes we MAY DIE and go through a lot but we have the victory in Jesus Christ.
Delphine, Agree with you totally, The greatest harvest of souls is yet to come. The false doctrine of pre tribulation rapture was started in the 1830’s by John Nelson Darby.