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I was with you until you went off on the rapture nonsense with no scriptures to back it up. The actual event, that is often mistaken for the rapture is called the gathering unto Jesus (2Thess 2). It happens at His return. We will come back down with Him. We're not flying up to Heaven, or disappearing like the "left-behinders" believe. Noah wasn't saved from the flood. He was saved through the flood. The tribulation will be the same.
King James Version: Revelation Chapter 7
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
King James Version: Revelation Chapter 14
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
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There are also Scriptures about Angels and The Two Witnesses in Jerusalem proclaiming The Gospel as The Ecclesia The Bride of Yahshua are no longer on Planet Earth to tell the people of the world the Good News. When the Two Witnesses are killed the pictures of them lying on the ground will be viral with the people left rejoicing over their deaths. Those responding to the Angels and The Two Witnesses will be hiding while waiting for The Second Coming.
Dear platformzero,
Would you really throw out the meat over the dessert plate? I have seen too many divisions in the body of Christ among believers who fight over the concept of the ‘rapture'(harpazo or violent snatching away, depending on the language). The entire message of the Gospel is about salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. We are COMMANDED to love one another. The Lord wants our hearts to be yielded, that we be willing to withstand ANY trials for His Name’s sake and in the end, we believers are all going to the SAME PLACE, no matter WHEN that is.
Elijah is a type of the rapture, was translated. Noah is a picture of believers saved from the wrath being contained in the “ark” of the new covenant, or “in Christ. The 144000 is just Israel. Gods program for Israel salvation is on hold under a “partial hardening” till the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. A multitude which can’t be numbered are trubulation saints who come to faith during the tribulation. The bride is in heaven at the “marriage supper of the lamb”. The bible has passages referring to the secret rapture/ day which no one knows and the 2nd coming, day you can calculate from the start of Antichrist 7 year peace deal with Israel. Revelation is chronological prophetic. After the letters to the churches the saints are see in heaven during the opening of the scroll. Plus a whole lot more support. The rapture is also found in early church writings back to year 300…..
Who will get rapture if someone think rapture will be happen in last trib(jews and gentiles or gentiles only)?
If both, Who will fill earth again if rapture happen after tribulation and get deceived by devil again(remember: believer has been changed and follower of AC has been killed )?
If gentiles, How to see the sequence from after trib, rapture, millenium, and jews?
And if someone think rapture happen in last trib but before armagedon, so we only have short time for marriage supper and God return, Why God not invited jews too if like that?
Do we know resurrection after trib is for who through or died because trib and their faith in Christ?
Do we know the real meaning of married supper in rev 19:6?
Dan: arguably, the first reference to a “pre-Trib” rapture is found within the Shepherd of Hermas, which was written in either the first or second century. HOWEVER, this prophecy was not accepted uniformly among the early Christians, with many believing it was not a true prophecy. For this reason, most early Churches would not permit it to be read during their assemblies.
Interestingly enough, although second century Church historian, theologian and apologist Irenaeus accepted Hermas as authentic, he ALSO taught within his writings that the rapture is pre-wrath, not pre-tribulational. This points to an understanding that Hermas is easily misunderstood to support a pre-trib rapture (which is why I used the word “arguably” at the top of this reply).
I, myself, am a pre-wrath rapture believer (I used to believe in the pre-trib position), but don’t usually argue about it with others 🙂